In a large way GUIs are responsible for the idea of a 'personal computer' rather than a big mainframe that just crunches numbers all the time. Edit: Sorry Bill and Steve take this one. Not sure what I was trying to say. Bill: altruistic philanthropist, spreading his wealth and hope everywhere. Pirates of Silicon Valley is basically a story about the simultaneous rise of Apple and Microsoft - in particular the 'main-streaming' of the GUI (aka; Graphical User Interface) and the Apple Computer v Microsoft copyright infringment lawsuits of the early 90s. This comment has been automatically removed, as it has been identified as suspect of being a joke, low-effort, or otherwise inappropriate top-level reply/comment. Jobs was clearly suffering from a hugely inflated ego. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Bill Gates is a pretty cool dude, but Steve Job is/was like that kid in middle school that runs around wienie tapping everyone because he thinks it's funny. Steve Jobs: "HE STOLE MY PROGRAMS N STUFFS!! Although I may give the edge to Steve. But that standing start he did is not the be trivialized for a 5'10" man, that is some explosiveness. Water skiing with a busted leg. Neil would often ask questions about implementation details that he didn't really need to know about such as representation and implementation. The important difference between patenting "three round buttons of different colors in the top corner of a window" and "a button on the edge of a thing" is something the conceptually, seems to have been forgotten. They all get swords. Additionally, Steve Jobs took some ideas about computers from Xerox, then Bill Gates took the same idea from Steve Jobs. So what you're telling me is the a court actually made an intelligent ruling on the limits of a patent in the past? They were buying all kinds of shit from other companies like IBM and Xerox. Apple effectively claimed it had invented the GUI and that Microsoft had copied the look and feel of it in releasing Windows. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Steve Jobs recruited Microsoft to be Macintosh's first 3rd party software developer, Neil Konzen, not Bill Gates was the main systems programmer at Microsoft assigned to the Mac project, Microsoft promises not to ship any software using a mouse until at least one year after the Macintosh's first shipment. How was Bill Gates sneaky? Bill Gates and Steve Jobs had a love-hate relationship. Jobs loses his shit on Gates who remains cool and says: "Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. Relevant xkcd, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. The crazy thing is that the GUI's we use today aren't radically different than the stuff Xerox was doing back in the 70/80s. Lets say they are all in their physical prime ie. Thanks for your response. Are you sure about the first part? ", Microsoft had originally signed their agreement with Macintosh regarding mouse based software in 1981 and announced Windows in 1983, they were within their rights, Mac can't cut ties with Microsoft since they still needed Microsoft's apps for the Macintosh. Jobs goes apeshit and demands a meeting with Gates where it ends up being ten Mac employees on one side and Gates on the other. I'm leaning towards Torvalds. Microsoft announces a mouse-based system GUI environment called Windows as well as a mouse-based option for Microsoft Word. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. "You’re stealing from us!” Bill replied "I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it." Joi Ito / Flickr Bill Gates and Steve Jobs built two of the biggest names in technology today: Microsoft and Apple, respectively. I knew both Bill Gates & Steve Jobs reasonably well back in the day. I just watched Pirates of Silicon Valley but didn't quite understand everything which went on. Both almost infamous for it. It could be easily argued that Microsoft held back the progress of the web at least a year, and by some measures even longer. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it. Even touch controls have been around since then. Special thanks to the guy who pointed out there was no way I could no that 99% of CEOs were ass holes, I made a generalisation, please continue being the reddit police. As with many innovations of this kind, a lot of people were working in this space at the time - Microsoft and Apple were two of these but one of the major ones was also Xerox (of photocopier manufacturing fame). Don't Panic! Lets say that the aggressiveness in both cancels each other out. Both almost infamous for it. Apple had agreed to licence some parts of it's own GUI to Microsoft which Microsoft used for Windows 1.0. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: subreddit:subreddit find submissions in "subreddit" author:username find submissions by "username" site:example.com find … Oh well. Steve jobs back then was a nazi fuck that overworked his employees to exhaustion and bill gates was viewed as a super chill guy but really he was a sneaky fuck ready to pounce on apple. Windows 1.0 releases in 1985 and is garbage so Bill starts from the ground up with a new development team headed by Neil Konzen. Bill Gates now is a paragon of awesomeness. If you believe this action has been taken in error, please drop us mods a message with a link to your comment! TIL Steve Jobs confronted Bill Gates after he announced Windows' GUI OS. They were competitors. Hell, the Xerox Alto from the early 70s had a mouse, icons, windows, scrollbars, sliders etc.. Xerox effectively had made a huge amount of progress on the idea of "GUIs" and both Microsoft and Apple borrowed heavily from the metaphors and ideas used in Xerox's offering (overlapping windows on a desktop with icons etc.) Hence this scene. Bill Gates in his prime was not a super chill guy. They were basically in a race to introduce a PC to everyone. Steve felt Bill stole his idea. Steve: Turtleneck touting effeminate pinko, adored by hipsters and cultists everywhere. Can anyone show me the video that these pictures are from? From the rules: Direct replies to the original post (aka "top-level comments") are for serious responses only. They are both extraordinary people who have made immeasurable contributions to advancing technology. Stopped being funny after the first joke. Edit2: Also I know its portrayed that Bill Gates is a nerd compared to say his partner Steve Jobs, but lets take a look here for a moment: http://www.businessinsider.com/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-bill-gates-2011-4?op=1, Dude was pretty brazen. I have a feeling with a running start he could clear a bit more. Windows won the war and outsold apple. Lets say that the aggressiveness in both cancels each other out. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. You may assume that Jobs is alive and no longer a Buddhist. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. First, I feel that Steve(he was a shitty Buddhist to be honest, dude was a dick) and Linus are the most aggressive of the bunch. Jokes, anecdotes, and low effort explanations, are not permitted and subject to removal. Certainly more aggressive than Bill or Richard. :). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The court however felt that only individual specific elements (ie; the specific type of button, rather than the idea of a button) could be the kinds of things which were more important than "Look and Feel". Although I may give the edge to Steve. Press J to jump to the feed. Explain Like I'm Five is the best forum and archive on the internet for layperson-friendly explanations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Z7eal4uXI. Do you mind elaborating a bit. "To get all linux news off the front page.". Torvalds is Finnish, he could probably solo the other three and not get scratched. Xerox's GUI was never commercialised. Getting himself into a class full of girls...sliding down a bannister face first. Cookies help us deliver our Services. It was reported to Steve that Microsoft was going to clone the Mac but Steve disregarded it because he didn't think they were capable of doing a decent implementation, he was correct. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. First, I feel that Steve(he was a shitty Buddhist to be honest, dude was a dick) and Linus are the most aggressive of the bunch. They did not work together. I'm going to say that Gates is a better athlete than all of them: Now Bill has 3inches on me height wise. The GUI is the main way we use computers today - Ie, a Mouse, folders, a desktop metaphor and was introduced in the early 1980s. Edit: I made a typo. Seems like he was part nerd / part party animal to me. younger versions of themselves. I don't know what that means for a physical confrontation..other than to say he's not going to be timid. Here is a screenshot from the Xerox Star from 1981. He ran an anti-competitive monopoly and ruthlessly crushed any potentially innovative companies that would threaten Microsoft. Apple argued effectively that all the modern components we understand to make up a "Desktop computer GUI", across OSX, Windows, Gnome, KDE were copyrightable and that the "look and feel" was Apple's intellectual property - which Microsoft infringed by making Windows 3.0 - a competing "Desktop Computer GUI". If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Because of their personalities and how the were regarded because of it. Neil's version of Windows is released later and was good enough that Mac filed a copyright lawsuit against Microsoft in 1988, which Mac lost after the judge ruled Apple inadvertently gave Microsoft a perpetual license to the Mac user interface in November 1985. I'm thinking this comes down to Gates and Torvalds. This is very similar to Apple's more recent lawsuits against Samsung (amongst others) claiming that touchscreen devices (of various types) copy the look and feel of their iPhones. You are indeed where you belong. **TL;DR: No, Bill and Steve never worked together, but worked on similar products at the same time. Please do not confuse Bill Gates of 2014 for early-90s Bill Gates. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! EDIT: Thanks to everyone pointing out that yes, Bill Gates was once an ass hole as well, but I meant more 'currently'. This was not always the case. I'll leave it. Steve: Turtleneck touting effeminate pinko, adored by hipsters and cultists everywhere.. Bill: altruistic philanthropist, spreading his wealth and hope everywhere. ", New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the explainlikeimfive community. When did they work together and what exactly did Bill Gates do which screwed over Steve Jobs so much. Bill Gates was in charge of one big computer company, and Steve Jobs was in charge of the other big computer company. By Windows 2.0 Microsoft had further developed its GUI and by Windows 3.0. Certainly more aggressive than Bill or Richard.

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